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Post by rusel on Apr 5, 2021 10:25:12 GMT 10
Moved from Profiles!
A general thought experiment for anyone interested
If IR had to use real world aircraft instead of the cleverly conceived for the show, of TB1-4...
What would they be? And don’t restrict yourself to just 4 types as not having rocket powered vehicles we’d have to have various IR stations worldwide-?or some such
And then we ask His Maverickness to do them as a run?!?!?
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Post by rusel on Apr 5, 2021 10:28:12 GMT 10
and then from John ...
One of the most logical choices would be regular cargo aircraft. C-130, -141, -5, A400M, Transall, etc, etc given that they are a 'rescue' outfit. Add flying-boats/amphibians for waterborne ops: Shin-Meiwa, the various Beriev designs, Marlins, etc. Helos for shorter ranged ops, but sticking with cargo type birds: Mojave, Chinook, Sea Stallion, Mi-8, etc. Some of those mentioned also have the capability to land on the water and deploy personnel whilst afloat. Add waterbombers for assistance against natural / man made fires.
and me ...
most definitely of course, BUT, what are your favs?
For me Concorde, C-130, Antonov 22 & 72. Shin Meiwa, Be12 then 200, P6M
Chinook Mil8 Mil10
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Post by rusel on Apr 5, 2021 10:32:38 GMT 10
and then John ...
Too many to name in all honesty. I would, instead, have an era/area list. 60s, 70s, 80s, etc. Britain, Western Europe, Australasia, etc. In keeping with the vibe of the original, it'd be 60s UK for me. Argosy, Belvedere, Wessex, Belfast, etc. Could even throw in the Concorde then.
and then Wolfie ...
Does IR still get their space station? If so, then the space shuttle is a must...
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Post by rusel on Apr 5, 2021 10:37:03 GMT 10
and then Wolfie ... Does IR still get their space station? If so, then the space shuttle is a must... So really whatever you want to happen is up to. I suppose the main idea is just to come up with an AU that yield interesting runs for John to do. I suppose the only real guideline is Johns principle of the WIFs being functionally capable and as realistic as possible! |
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Post by rusel on Apr 5, 2021 10:43:13 GMT 10
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Post by Wolfman on Apr 5, 2021 11:23:14 GMT 10
Hmm, that’s some interesting stuff there...
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Post by Admin on Apr 5, 2021 13:31:16 GMT 10
Once again, for my mind, the most logical choice within Clave's bunch is the C-130 and the helos. Scimitar, Mirage, P-38 etc seem rather incongruous for a 'rescue' organisation. |
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Post by rusel on Apr 5, 2021 22:01:10 GMT 10
Once again, for my mind, the most logical choice within Clave's bunch is the C-130 and the helos. Scimitar, Mirage, P-38 etc seem rather incongruous for a 'rescue' organisation. Yeah its a tough gig thinking through the logistics of this thought experiment. Let alone thinking of the political implications of an IR. UN peace keepers being a case in point. Think Ill have to stick with JI unless IR is a competitor of some sort, mmmm! |
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Post by Wolfman on Apr 6, 2021 3:43:47 GMT 10
Once again, for my mind, the most logical choice within Clave's bunch is the C-130 and the helos. Scimitar, Mirage, P-38 etc seem rather incongruous for a 'rescue' organisation. I’m thinking more along the lines of the recon versions of the tactical aircraft... |
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Post by rusel on Apr 6, 2021 10:30:45 GMT 10
I’ll add this in as John’s discussion here is very relevant
Wolfman said:John, Rusel, in the International Rescue scenario, does International Rescue have the space station (Thunderbird 5) they had in the series?
then John
“For my mind, that'd be less possible. The use of TB-3, especially as a SSTO vehicle, is fanciful at best, like most of the T-Bird ships. The use of real-world aircraft precludes the use of any viable SSTO vehicle until the 80s at best. HOTOL, Skylon, the NASP or even the actual Shuttle might be considered at that point, but more importantly the concept of a privately owned space station is perhaps the most fanciful of the concepts. A 'real world' International Rescue would be more like a UN or NATO type organisation with the funding behind it thus 'Thunderbird 5' might be a Skylab, MIR or ISS type vehicle serviced by the aforementioned SSTO types.“
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Post by Wolfman on Apr 6, 2021 10:47:07 GMT 10
So IR inherits the derelict Skylab (hand waving what actually happened to that station)?
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Post by rusel on Apr 6, 2021 10:47:12 GMT 10
Once again, for my mind, the most logical choice within Clave's bunch is the C-130 and the helos. Scimitar, Mirage, P-38 etc seem rather incongruous for a 'rescue' organisation. I’m thinking more along the lines of the recon versions of the tactical aircraft... that’d be very decade specific as the arrival of satellites would increasingly reduce the need. Also the costs of ex military recon birds to a civi or UN organisation IRL most equip comes with the donor nations personnel An interesting conundrum all round ... |
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Post by Wolfman on Apr 6, 2021 10:54:31 GMT 10
Indeed...
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Post by Admin on Apr 6, 2021 10:58:13 GMT 10
So IR inherits the derelict Skylab (hand waving what actually happened to that station)? Fell apart over Western Australia in '79: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkylabFunnily enough, I actually wrote a short sci-fi novella relating to the incident in high school the year that it fell. In my scenario, Skylab had a nuclear system on board (for reasons that now escape me) and it's crash to Earth heralded a post nuclear apocalypse across the Western Australian state. |
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Post by Wolfman on Apr 6, 2021 11:06:00 GMT 10
Right, like I said: hand waving that so that it can be passed on to IR...
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Post by rusel on Apr 8, 2021 8:13:49 GMT 10
So IR inherits the derelict Skylab (hand waving what actually happened to that station)? Fell apart over Western Australia in '79: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkylabFunnily enough, I actually wrote a short sci-fi novella relating to the incident in high school the year that it fell. In my scenario, Skylab had a nuclear system on board (for reasons that now escape me) and it's crash to Earth heralded a post nuclear apocalypse across the Western Australian state. just nothin like hordes of post apocalyptic Sand Gropers eating out the land as they make their way eastwards, aaarrrggghhhhh! |
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Post by rusel on Apr 8, 2021 8:18:50 GMT 10
Really the only way you're going to have an IR or any WIF like it with extra space travel is not to have the Vietnam War. Apollo was there, a moon base was possible but the MIC needed another war so the NeoCons pushed the intervention and we lost that whole direction?
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